Curse

eggs0wn · Nov 12, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Ok, well today I saw someone selling a green spear called The Darksong and wanted it. I didn't want to pay the outragous price I was seeing so I went out to get it myself. Surprisingly, the boss that drops it is right near a protal so it is easy to access. So I use myself(paragon), Zhed as a nuker, Koss as a Tank/Melonni normal Derv, and Tahlkora as a Prot Monk. I can easily kill this boss, infact I have killed him 30 times and he hasnt dropped his spear. Irriatated I decided to from a group of people to see if my Heroes were stealing the drops. The group I made with all real people killed him 10 times and no one got it. Now pissed I decided to try with Heroes a few more times and still nothing. So I have killed this stupid boss about 45 times and he hasn't dropped his spear once. Like wtf? Did A-Net like decrease green drop rates to like .00000001%

Hou Lifu · Nov 12, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Well, you're going with parties, so your chances of the drop are even lower than alone.

LitoBoi · Nov 12, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Uh...I'm not completely sure about this but

chances are you're not the only one that farms that Boss, so

Alot of People farming for that green item = Lower chance of getting it...

so...an overfarmed place will have an EXTREMELY LOW chance of it dropping.

noir0 · Nov 12, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

the more you kill the boss in a row in quick sucession the less likely the green is to drop..

Former Ruling · Nov 12, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Greens are rarer, and when you were with henchies - You had almost no chance of getting it lol.

sykoone · Nov 12, 2006, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Yes, heros/henchies will take a cut of the drops, so using them to farm for greens is generally a bad idea. To top it off, if the guy is as easy to kill as you say, then there are probably tons of people farming him, which lowers the drop rate even more. So either be patient and keep farming, or save your cash to buy it from someone.

Mr_T_bot · Nov 12, 2006, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by LitoBoi

Alot of People farming for that green item = Lower chance of getting it...

so...an overfarmed place will have an EXTREMELY LOW chance of it dropping.

Which is an absurd rule for an already run-away economy.

Batou of Nine · Nov 12, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Wrong.

Other people farming the same area do not affect YOUR specific drop rate in that area, unless the person WITH you also overfarms the area.

I am sick of these silly rumors about farming nerfs and such. The ONLY thing that will affect a person's actual drop rate is that persons frequency of farming the same location/boss. If you do it too often and too frequent you will physically get a message about it.

Each persons explorable/farmable zone is instanced, so they alone affect their drop rate.

For the OP specifically, i can guarantee that the boss had dropped the green at LEAST once, likewise i can guarantee that one of your heroes got it, and since we don't get to see what henchies and heroes get from drops, you may never know...

Honestly, if you want the best chances, assimilate a solo build or a 2 man build, go with a friend and farm him at MOST 20 times in a row. This might even trigger the code. At the end of that run do a mission, then come back and try again. Also, rather then zoning out when going for another run, type /resign instead, this somehow helps to delay the farming code.

So, once again, the person ALONE is responsible for THEIR drop rates from areas...

cheers!

Jalinka_Vail · Nov 12, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

I did ten solo runs in a few and got the spear on teh 10th run. I took a break for a few hours. When I came back I did 23 runs and all i got was the farming message.

He wasn't given up that spear much last night.

Myria · Nov 12, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Other people farming the same area do not affect YOUR specific drop rate in that area, unless the person WITH you also overfarms the area.

I'm curious as to how you can be so certain. It's not that I think you're necessarily wrong, it's just that we do not know the code -- I could certainly see a "we only want 'X' number of these entering the economy per day" clause in the code -- and I can't think of any effective way to test it one way or another.

eggs0wn · Nov 13, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Hmm, thanks for the input. The reason why I use heroes is because I can't kill him solo because there are 4 other guys there. If anyone knows the Boss and Green I'm talking about can you please post a build. Im a paragon btw and have a ranger that will reach the point where the boss is soon if that helps. But post build for other professions if you know em, thanks.

Hysteria · Nov 13, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

I said this in some other post and I will say it again. Farming for greens is easier then ever now with hero's. Kill the mob, save the boss, send hero's away till names are grey'd and solo the boss. Repeat as necessary. This has been working great for me.

Edit: Also wanted to add that if you also take henchies for a full party they also seem to follow the hero's and will go to your flag.

The Hand Of Death · Nov 13, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

I have gotten his spear 6 times. I solo him, the first time I got it within 4 drops. The second I got it first time. The third it took me 40 tries. The fourth around 10. The fifth another 40 tries and then later that day the sixth I got it second shot. I never once got that farming message, but find a way to do it alone. I do it with a N/E, should be hard with a character that has a higher AL.

Cacheelma · Nov 13, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by Myria

I'm curious as to how you can be so certain. It's not that I think you're necessarily wrong, it's just that we do not know the code -- I could certainly see a "we only want 'X' number of these entering the economy per day" clause in the code -- and I can't think of any effective way to test it one way or another.

I think he can be certain because GAILE has already commented on this topic. She stated clearly that the chance of an item to drop for you doesn't depend on how many people are playing in that area.

Feel free to argue with her, though.

Cherno · Nov 13, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

I am having lots of problems with Shagu. Trying to get his shield and I have killed him many many times solo and there are really very few people in that zone and he won't drop the shield. I know he has it as I have seen people with it. I could attribute it to bad luck, but this is really rediculous. I have never had the farm code warning come up while taking him out, and I go out and do missions and quests and other things in between. I really do think they can tweak the levels of some bosses down for their drops.

arcanemacabre · Nov 13, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I think he can be certain because GAILE has already commented on this topic. She stated clearly that the chance of an item to drop for you doesn't depend on how many people are playing in that area.

Feel free to argue with her, though.

Link?

Cacheelma · Nov 13, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Link?

You think I made it up?

Try this:

http://forums.gwonline.net/showthrea...70#post4297070

As in...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile

...

And no, the drop rate would not be affected by the number of people playing in an area. Each mission is individual and has its own mathematics -- it's not that there are 10 items to drop stretched across 100 rather than 25 groups.

No more myth, please. I don't think we'd want Gaile to repeat herself on the same issue over and over and over and over again. And I'm sure as hell don't want to re-search and post this same reply over and over and over again across so many forums.

Gonzo · Nov 13, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

Stonereaper took me 30 times to kill (alone) before he decided I was worthy of his staff, it was then and there that I decided I would stop solo-green farming.

VorianVader · Nov 13, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

It is an accepted fact that henches/heroes steal your greens and if you kill a boss over and over again, farming code prevents you from getting anything.

There is a simple way about it but it involves patience. Zone out into different areas, do quests, cap skills.......if you come across a boss, kill everything around him and send the henchies off the map so that their names are greyed out. Then solo the boss and see if he drops anything. There are usually around 2-3 bosses in each explorable area and provided you dont keep hitting the same area over and over again, your chances for a drop are good. (This might be nerfed soon - maybe)

I almost ALWAYS get 1 green drop in any nightfall explorable area doing this. Downside is that it might NOT be a green that you want and which cant sell but hey heroes need equipment and its more fun this way rather than killing something over and over again and not getting anything.

shadowmist · Nov 13, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09

I think that the first few times you farmed the green with your heroes, one of them got the drop. Then the drop rate went down and the chance of drop just never occured. Either that, or you're just unlucky. I got a Deathbringer scythe to drop for me when I was just capping the elite skill from a boss, so I don't think the drop rate is all that low. (7 bosses with henchies/heroes (the 5 avatars, grenth's grasp, and reaper's strike I think) and got 1 green)